http://www.honestjohn.co.uk Honest John forum en-gb Tue, 07 May 2024 17:46:36 +0000 Copyright: (C) www.honestjohn.co.uk 5 hjforum1486641 Tue, 07 May 2024 16:26:11 +0000 Sounds cheap to me compared to other cars . The problem with led lights is that they’re generally a sealed unit . You’d need to destroy it to gain access to the internal gubbins. It possibly is repairable, but the manufacturers have made it virtually impossible. Technical matters elekie&a/c doctor Technical matters http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198133 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198133&v=t&m=1486641 hjforum1486640 Tue, 07 May 2024 16:14:14 +0000 A friend complained that he's been quoted £350 for a replacement light unit, is there any one who repairs these or is this yet another 'improvement' that we have had imposed on us at our expense? Technical matters galileo Technical matters http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198133 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198133&v=t&m=1486640 hjforum1486638 Tue, 07 May 2024 15:11:35 +0000 Oh interesting, thanks. I assume a different broker?  I have spoken with someone from Stellantis today, he said that they're likely needing to check both the normal and the MHEV battery, as there are recalls currently on both.  His assumption was that they are going to be replacing the MHEV battery, hence waiting on the delivery of a new battery and this date was TBC, but it sounded like guesswork.  It sounded like he was working off fairly limited information as he only had the information from the processing centre.  Your date of Friday 17th May, aligns loosely with the 20th May I was told as anticipated week for resolving the issue, but not sure what that's based on.  If they have thousands of cars they need to test......     Motoring discussion TheActionVerb Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198025 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198025&v=t&m=1486638 hjforum1486637 Tue, 07 May 2024 14:54:31 +0000 FWIW HJ indicates that the 2020 Compass that the OP is after was released in 2018. Obviously that doesn't mean the build quality is any better :) https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/jeep/ Motoring discussion maz64 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130&v=t&m=1486637 hjforum1486636 Tue, 07 May 2024 14:39:37 +0000 I had one in the US as a hire car ~2016 - build quality was appalling. Motoring discussion Heidfirst Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130&v=t&m=1486636 hjforum1486635 Tue, 07 May 2024 12:43:44 +0000 This seems to be a global problem with all 3008 MHEV deliveries. Mine was supposed to be delivered last week and was delayed without any ETA. The broker said that the Peugeot factory have directly advised that no vehicles will be delivered between now and the 17th May. They have no updates as to when after that date they may be ready to deliver as they have hundreds, if not thousands vehicles to check. Motoring discussion pepe123 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198025 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198025&v=t&m=1486635 hjforum1486631 Tue, 07 May 2024 06:51:14 +0000 Are you looking at the link on a phone/mobile device, or PC/laptop? My phone says 3.0, laptop says 4.0 (Chrome and Edge). Motoring discussion maz64 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995&v=t&m=1486631 hjforum1486630 Tue, 07 May 2024 06:44:10 +0000 You think I'm making this up? How odd. And no, I'm not suggesting BMW would replace their 3 cylinder engine at all. Motoring discussion maz64 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995&v=t&m=1486630 hjforum1486629 Tue, 07 May 2024 06:08:43 +0000 Your link to the BMW site clearly said 3.0 cylinders and still does. Screen shot proves nothing. But why would they replace a well regarded 3 cylinder engine, would be totally pointless. Motoring discussion skidpan Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995&v=t&m=1486629 hjforum1486628 Mon, 06 May 2024 22:39:36 +0000 Apparently BMW have already got a new engine for the 118i - same power output, but 4 cylinders (see 'key performance data'): https://brochures.bmw.co.uk/1-series/performance :) Link clearly says 118i has 3.0 cylinders. If it did, I wouldn't have posted it :) So presumably you don't see this (link to screenshot in my google drive): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DLd0fwkqlThjRTV5FnyfcdSBFBpxF_sI/view?usp=drive_link   Motoring discussion maz64 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995&v=t&m=1486628 hjforum1486625 Mon, 06 May 2024 19:09:03 +0000 Thank you  Motoring discussion Kathryn Mark Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130&v=t&m=1486625 hjforum1486624 Mon, 06 May 2024 19:08:39 +0000 Thank you  Motoring discussion Kathryn Mark Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130&v=t&m=1486624 hjforum1486616 Mon, 06 May 2024 17:40:45 +0000 Same platform as a Fiat 500XL and Renegade so look at reviews of those as well.   Motoring discussion daveyjp Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130&v=t&m=1486616 hjforum1486615 Mon, 06 May 2024 16:24:21 +0000   Those are hardly 'affordable' as I previously stated, plus they are either EVs (not renowned for their ability to rev and make noise) or hard-as-nails suspension (so they can handle well) cars, not ones that can easily double up as a 'daily drive' over speed humps and our 'lovely' pothole ridden roads without having to do so at walking pace (ironic). Many hot hatches of 'old' (even 10-15 years ago) still had a decent enough ride and where you didn't need to take out another car loan to afford your next set of tyres. Many ICE hot hatches will soon be out because environmental laws will make them way too expensive to buy or run, if they are even allowed into many bigger towns and cities when the inevitable ramping up of ULEZs comes.  Councils have already done it with diesels with making car parking for residents vastly more expensive (often affecting the least able to pay).  Of course, if you are rich, then, well... Frankly, most "cooking" models are faster than "warm" hatches from 15 years ago so if you want a well performing family car the choice is huge. There may well be less hatches but that is probably because manufacturers are making less hatches. The Fiesta is no more and soon the Focus will be the same way.  Sure the list prices are more but what isn't in life? It is called inflation.  I mentioned the MG4 X-Power. Maybe not everyone's cup of tea but you can get a nearly new one for £25k. In 2014 that would be the equivalent of £18500. If you can point me towards a hot hatch with 429bhp and 0-60 in 3.8 seconds which can also do the tip run you could have bought at a year old and 3000 miles in 2014 for £18500 then well done. There are plenty of other examples and, yes, more of them will be EVs but doesn't mean they are not hot hatches.  Motoring discussion pd Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995&v=t&m=1486615 hjforum1486614 Mon, 06 May 2024 16:22:16 +0000 I’m assuming you are referring to the 12 volt battery, then I really can’t see any problems using the Victron charger. Technical matters elekie&a/c doctor Technical matters http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198131 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198131&v=t&m=1486614 hjforum1486612 Mon, 06 May 2024 15:41:29 +0000 Re Adam’s comment Suzuki have a standard three year from new warranty. However if has a fsh from a Suzuki dealer this can be extended each year if you have a  Suzuki franchise service until it’s 7 years old. This is service activated warranty. The only confusion I am aware of is that not every Suzuki dealer takes  part. I don’t know why they wouldn’t but some don’t. Motoring discussion catsdad Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486612 hjforum1486611 Mon, 06 May 2024 15:30:48 +0000 Apparently BMW have already got a new engine for the 118i - same power output, but 4 cylinders (see 'key performance data'): https://brochures.bmw.co.uk/1-series/performance :) (actually '4.0' cylinders - obviously you need to be precise) Link clearly says 118i has 3.0 cylinders. Others have 4 0. Motoring discussion skidpan Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995&v=t&m=1486611 hjforum1486610 Mon, 06 May 2024 15:29:29 +0000 I suppose the other option is Cinch.  There's a Kia Proceed there, a Mazda 6 and a few Toyota Aurises.  I know you said no hybrids, but a Toyota Hybrid is as reliable and long-lived as any other car, so what difference would it make? Is the later Auris affected by the CAT theft susceptibility (and thus huge bumps in insurance premiums) like the early 1st Honda Jazz, or was that the previous gen car? Maybe its stablemate (and as SLO will know, an efficient, highly reliable, long-lived car) the Avensis estate to add too? I'm also wondering if buying from ordinary people or well-cared for PXes - especially retired types giving up driving or buying their 'last car' (in that regard) might do? My local KIA dealer currently has (now reserved at £500 off the original listed price) a 2015 BMW 220i AT (TC auto) Luxury (only 25k on the clock and in excellent condition from the photos) going for £12.25k, only doing a few 1000 miles a year.  Obviously not the car or engine type (though not that bad if you don't floor it)  the OP wants, but condition and price-wise (nothing near an MOT failure either), not bad at all. Note also they are offering it (and some others) with a 12 month warranty rather than (presumably) just a 3 month one, presumably because it has a full dealership service history, no bodyshell corrosion or MOT failures, and perhaps a low mileage. They admittedly do have some not-so-good PXes (including one very high spec Range Rover they cannot get rid of despite significantly lowering the price), but sometimes the previous owner of a car just needs a complete change (or can afford it), even if their old car is still in great shape. Motoring discussion Engineer Andy Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486610 hjforum1486609 Mon, 06 May 2024 15:24:22 +0000 It would seem that VW don't want anyone to charge the battery in my car except an authorised dealer.  Given the extensive electronics I can understand their nervousness!  I have what I think is a very good battery charger (Victron Energy Blue Smart) which provides a wealth of charging options and appears to have a very good auto charging facility. Any views, advice or warnings would be very much appreciated. Technical matters UK-KR Technical matters http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198131 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198131&v=t&m=1486609 hjforum1486608 Mon, 06 May 2024 15:08:46 +0000 I should have said - I'm currently the happy owner of a 2016 MINI Cooper (auto - my first), with no real justification for changing it, but that doesn't stop me thinking about it :) I do fancy a new one - mine has got climate but very little else, I even have to take my hands off the wheel to change the radio volume. But even the base spec new model has loads of kit, plus the advantage of a decent amount of rubber in the tyres to soften the ride. However I do like the idea of a 1 series, and if it had the new engine then there wouldn't be a drop in performance compared to my current MINI - it would cancel out the additional weight (I think, obviously no actual figures to back that up). The BMW 1 Series range isn't exactly short of engine/power options, Well... after the 118i with 136ps it's a bit of a leap up to the 128ti with 265ps. There's no 2 litre 120i like there was with the previous version of the 1 series. Seems a bit odd. Maybe BMW think owners will either be retired types wanting a car that's 'nippy' with the BMW 'prestige' and handling (rather like a Lexus) or the 'boy [or girl) racers' at any age who want a very hot hatch and can afford the high cost of purchase and ownership. Fewer and fewer makes are now doing 'warm' hatches, partly because they are no longer affordable (including running costs, e.g. insurance) to the same lot who used to buy cars like the mid 2000s Civic Type R, earlier gen Focus STs, etc.  Many makes are also rationalising their lineups to reduce costs. I suspect that apart from the German makes, the hot hatch era will be soon over, whether EVs take over fully in the next 5 years or so or not. MG4 X-Power? Hyundai N range? Toyota Yaris GR? Volvo Ex30 Performance? Plenty of hot hatches out there and more coming soon like GTi versions of VW I cars, Cupras etc. Looks quite healthy to me. Those are hardly 'affordable' as I previously stated, plus they are either EVs (not renowned for their ability to rev and make noise) or hard-as-nails suspension (so they can handle well) cars, not ones that can easily double up as a 'daily drive' over speed humps and our 'lovely' pothole ridden roads without having to do so at walking pace (ironic). Many hot hatches of 'old' (even 10-15 years ago) still had a decent enough ride and where you didn't need to take out another car loan to afford your next set of tyres. Many ICE hot hatches will soon be out because environmental laws will make them way too expensive to buy or run, if they are even allowed into many bigger towns and cities when the inevitable ramping up of ULEZs comes.  Councils have already done it with diesels with making car parking for residents vastly more expensive (often affecting the least able to pay).  Of course, if you are rich, then, well... Motoring discussion Engineer Andy Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197995&v=t&m=1486608 hjforum1486606 Mon, 06 May 2024 14:49:14 +0000 Don't know if you've had a look at HJ's review, here: https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/jeep/compass/ That's got a link to some owners' reviews - not many, and a bit mixed: https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/owner-reviews/jeep/compass-2018/ Motoring discussion maz64 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130&v=t&m=1486606 hjforum1486605 Mon, 06 May 2024 14:28:26 +0000 Hi, anyone own a Jeep Compass or know anyone that does? I really like the look of them and some good second hand deals.  Anyone any feedback on how they drive ? And their reliability/ any issues? Thank you   Motoring discussion Kathryn Mark Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198130&v=t&m=1486605 hjforum1486604 Mon, 06 May 2024 13:39:12 +0000 Maybe best to restrict your search to somewhere fairly local as my friend has found when he bought a high end car on the South Coast as we live in the South midlands. Taking it back for a warranty claim involved an overnight stay and two days travelling etc. There can be complications when you allow a third party garage to carry out repairs under warranty ! Get something approved used with a manufacturer warranty and you should be able to claim at any garage with the same franchise. Motoring discussion SLO76 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486604 hjforum1486603 Mon, 06 May 2024 13:22:09 +0000  better still ten years later with the TDi engine in the 306.  Peugeot called their engines HDi. The TDi was the noisier but more economical VAG offering. Motoring discussion skidpan Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198002 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198002&v=t&m=1486603 hjforum1486602 Mon, 06 May 2024 13:06:32 +0000 Maybe best to restrict your search to somewhere fairly local as my friend has found when he bought a high end car on the South Coast as we live in the South midlands. Taking it back for a warranty claim involved an overnight stay and two days travelling etc. There can be complications when you allow a third party garage to carry out repairs under warranty ! Motoring discussion Steveieb Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486602 hjforum1486601 Mon, 06 May 2024 12:46:10 +0000 If your budget and expectations run to something a year or two old, I would be less concerned with the vendor and more concerned that the service history is up to date, apparent absence of accident damage, and that the full manufacturers warranty is still valid. Any faults arising during the warranty period should get fixed FOC.  If Kia, Hyundai etc warranty may last 5 or more years.   & Toyota is up to 10 years/100,000 miles  (subject to annual/10k dealer servicing outside the initial 3 year/60k warranty.)   Suzuki also seem to be doing some kind of seven year warranty, but it's a bit confusing! Motoring discussion Adampr Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486601 hjforum1486597 Mon, 06 May 2024 10:35:55 +0000 If your budget and expectations run to something a year or two old, I would be less concerned with the vendor and more concerned that the service history is up to date, apparent absence of accident damage, and that the full manufacturers warranty is still valid. Any faults arising during the warranty period should get fixed FOC.  If Kia, Hyundai etc warranty may last 5 or more years.   & Toyota is up to 10 years/100,000 miles  (subject to annual/10k dealer servicing outside the initial 3 year/60k warranty.)   Motoring discussion Heidfirst Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486597 hjforum1486596 Mon, 06 May 2024 10:24:16 +0000 If your budget and expectations run to something a year or two old, I would be less concerned with the vendor and more concerned that the service history is up to date, apparent absence of accident damage, and that the full manufacturers warranty is still valid. Any faults arising during the warranty period should get fixed FOC.  If Kia, Hyundai etc warranty may last 5 or more years.   Motoring discussion Terry W Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486596 hjforum1486595 Mon, 06 May 2024 09:36:51 +0000 My first car was my Dad’s old 205 diesel, which was a revelation in terms of ease of starting. Provided you let the glow plugs work their magic before cranking the engine over, I don’t recall it ever failing to start first time. And no damp morning hesitation or stalling either! Even better when the Dturbo arrived about 1990, and better still ten years later with the TDi engine in the 306.  Only needed about a second before starting ! Motoring discussion Andrew-T Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198002 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198002&v=t&m=1486595 hjforum1486594 Mon, 06 May 2024 08:24:41 +0000 “Wouldn't the dealership rather suggest the opposite.experience to what the OP is after?” I didn’t want a never ending PCP or lease payment either nor a hugely overpriced new car that’ll half in value in less than two years. Buy used and politely tell the dealer you’re not interested in all the add on profit making garbage. I just bought a car from a dealer outright and managed to resist all the wonderful “special offers” such as their insanely overpriced service plan at £45 a month.. I took the car and the years manufacturer warranty it came with and paid book money for it. Took 6mths to sift through all the neglected, clocked and abused c*** that’s out there though. At this money though private sales are rare and too restricted, dealers hold 99.9% of the stock. That’s not to say a wee bargain won’t pop up, I’d always keep an eye out for one, but few people sell cars at £15k privately today as buying services akin to WBAC and large dealers offer strong money for retailable cars which removes the hassle and risk of selling from the driveway. Much of the private sale stock is either overpriced or written off metal that dealers won’t touch. Motoring discussion SLO76 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486594 hjforum1486589 Mon, 06 May 2024 06:19:05 +0000 Thanks for the suggestion. I have no problem driving an older car.  The problem is, I do such a low mileage this car would be my daily driver and I don't have a garage to store it in.  The car would be out in all weather conditions and I just don't think this would work for me.    Motoring discussion newguy2015 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198106 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198106&v=t&m=1486589 hjforum1486588 Mon, 06 May 2024 05:52:12 +0000 Inform your insurance company promptly with all the details and evidence you have, like the dashcam footage, so they can handle the issue with the third party's insurer. Motoring discussion Calum38 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198125 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198125&v=t&m=1486588 hjforum1486587 Mon, 06 May 2024 02:11:11 +0000 Chap i know bought a new Lada Riva estate (hmm now was it the estate or saloon, can't be sure),  still brand new he asked me why the steering was so heavy, steering box had no oil and when i topped it up all the oil leaked straight out.   It was an awful thing its solid bodywork the only good point i could find. Loved my Lada Absolutely the Best 40 Quid I ever spent. I think that, perhaps more than most cars, that they were disproportionately bought new by people who were clueless, and knew it, and were thus especially scared of buying second hand. This was compounded by the fact that the Sovs got the punters to do the production QC, rather like modern car makers get the punters to do the development testing (There arguably wasn't much development on a Lada) This meant they were an especially dodgy buy new, but by the time they cost 40 quid, Darwinism had done its thing and weeded out the weaklings. Over about 4 years I replaced a wheel cylinder, which IIRC cost a fiver, put a stainless steel tube insert in an exhaust fracture, and faked up the jacking point outriggers with ferrocement for a few MOTs. If an unreasonably hostile MOT tester (who didnt spot the outriggers but was quite imaginative elsewhere) and an inherited Renault 5 hadn't coincided with an MSc thesis deadline I would probably have still had it when I left for Taiwan. Bit heavy on fuel though.     Motoring discussion edlithgow Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198002 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198002&v=t&m=1486587 hjforum1486585 Mon, 06 May 2024 00:06:23 +0000 This looks good value. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404118545132 Wouldn't the dealership rather suggest the opposite.experience to what the OP is after? Motoring discussion Adampr Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486585 hjforum1486584 Sun, 05 May 2024 23:55:21 +0000 This looks good value. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404118545132 Motoring discussion SLO76 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486584 hjforum1486583 Sun, 05 May 2024 23:13:47 +0000 I'm looking for a reliable estate, certainly not an electric and preferably not hybrid, budget is about 15k. How big an estate & how old/what mileage is acceptable?   Motoring discussion Heidfirst Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486583 hjforum1486581 Sun, 05 May 2024 21:38:34 +0000 Something is amiss with your suspension, my CRV  glides over poor roads.  Motoring discussion johncyprus Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198121 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198121&v=t&m=1486581 hjforum1486580 Sun, 05 May 2024 20:39:50 +0000 How about this? It’s an approved used car from a local main dealer and under warranty until 2028. Generally good cars these, but depreciation is heavy so long term ownership is the best option to get value. Make sure it has a full Kia service record or that lovely warranty is worthless. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202405019270419 The Suzuki Vitara is another worthy long term prospect. This is essentially new and although it’s a hybrid it’s only a mild hybrid so you won’t even notice anything beyond a bit more pep and slightly better economy. These don’t really go wrong. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404299168431 I was looking at these recently. They’re fantastically reliable, very good on fuel, smooth and relaxing to drive and extremely popular with taxi fleets so resale is a doddle and at strong money. Hybrid again but no concerns with reliability at all. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404309209185 I rate the Skoda Octavia too. This looks good value, but check that warranty has a decent claims limit or it’s worthless. Nice to drive, lots of room and very decent on fuel. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403067267928 Motoring discussion SLO76 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486580 hjforum1486579 Sun, 05 May 2024 19:41:29 +0000 I suppose the other option is Cinch.  There's a Kia Proceed there, a Mazda 6 and a few Toyota Aurises.  I know you said no hybrids, but a Toyota Hybrid is as reliable and long-lived as any other car, so what difference would it make? Motoring discussion Adampr Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486579 hjforum1486578 Sun, 05 May 2024 19:37:04 +0000 thanks argybargy , great knowledge share much appreciated  Motoring discussion Honda jazzer Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197392 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=197392&v=t&m=1486578 hjforum1486577 Sun, 05 May 2024 19:35:55 +0000 How about a Škoda Scala? You can get a 23reg (10 months old) approved used from a Škoda dealer for your budget. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403187701393 Motoring discussion FiestaOwner Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486577 hjforum1486576 Sun, 05 May 2024 19:35:46 +0000 great thread SLo thanks (and to others) for sharing your EV experience  Motoring discussion Honda jazzer Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=182472 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=182472&v=t&m=1486576 hjforum1486575 Sun, 05 May 2024 19:27:43 +0000 Looking at my own criteria, I would suggest three possible dealers.  Bear.in mind I know nothing about any of them: RM Fisher (Lancaster) J&A Rigbye (Chorley) Accrington Garages (Accrington). I would also note that Swansway Honda in Bolton have a nice looking Civic Tourer.  They will be all pointy shoes and coffee machines, but it might be worth it for the car. Motoring discussion Adampr Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486575 hjforum1486574 Sun, 05 May 2024 18:52:57 +0000 I was recently looking for a new car and visited a combination of independent dealers, franchises and car supermarkets.  Like you, I tend to buy from franchised dealers where the quality of stock is better. I would recommend avoiding car supermarkets.  They work on tiny margins and all of their profit is in finance, extended warranties etc.  They will desperately try to sell you things you don't want. Unless you know of a good one, I would also avoid independent dealers.  Most buy their cars from auction and know nothing about them.  They have a bad reputation, but many are generally honest, they just don't know what they're selling.   That leaves you with the franchises again.  They vary massively but, by and large, the more prestigious the brand, the more irritating the dealer. What I found was that a franchise dealer in a rural area that is not part of a bigger group seems to be the most relaxed.  The dowdier or more farmer-y the cars, the less annoying the sales people.   I had a genuinely enjoyable time at a Subaru dealer in a small market town, and a perfectly pleasant experience at a Suzuki dealer in a small City.  A Suzuki dealer that was part of a large local group, though, was the very typical dealer experience. So three things to look out for: 1.  Not a glamorous brand 2.  Not part of a group 3.  Preferably a rural location In your position, I would be looking for a good dealer before deciding what car to buy. Motoring discussion Adampr Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486574 hjforum1486573 Sun, 05 May 2024 18:47:02 +0000 If all the traders are crooks, are there any private sellers in your neighbourhood ?  £15k may be a bit high for a private sale, but worth a look ? Motoring discussion Andrew-T Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486573 hjforum1486572 Sun, 05 May 2024 18:09:25 +0000 Apologies, I live near Preston, Lancashire.  I asked my local repair  garage for recommendations and their honest advice was "Don't buy a car from anywhere round here, they are all crooks". So I'm willing to travel.  I looked at Motorpoint, Burnley but they lack Estates and its a dice roll with any second hand dealers.  If I can't afford new I'd prefer to reduce risk by buying approved dealer cars.  But I'm looking for a dealer that wants to sell what customers want not what they want to sell them.  As far as I can tell the only reason anyone buys cars from dealers now is for PCP deals.  But I don't want a second mortgage.   Motoring discussion UncleBlobby Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486572 hjforum1486571 Sun, 05 May 2024 17:58:03 +0000 It'll help to give contributors an idea of where you live - not the street and number but town would be useful. Motoring discussion RT Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486571 hjforum1486570 Sun, 05 May 2024 17:34:57 +0000 Like most people I know I was hanging on to my 10 year old diesel KIA as long as possible having heard how bad the UK car market is today.   Sadly someone driving on wrong side of road hit me head on writing the car off and nearly killing me just before Christmas.  4 months and a lot of hospital time later I've received 3K for my old car from the insurers and need to replace it as it was written off.  I've had terrible issues with second hand cars in the past and have bought ex demo cars from dealerships to avoid this for the last 20 years with success.  However,  I visited a few of the cheaper local dealers (Kia, Skoda, Ford) and the prices of new or nearly new budget cars is now insane (30-40k new, not much cheaper for ex demos).  All dealers try and push EVs, I don't want an EV.  Or they try and push hybrids, see EVs.  Most dealers no longer even know the actual price of their cars and instead quote monthly payments under PCP deals that benefit only the dealer not the buyer.  Most dealers I visited were empty of customers as a result.  I'm desperate for a new car living in a village with no public transport and I need it for work.  But it's been so disheartening I've given up trying.  My wife and I both work full time on professional salaries and we cant even afford a budget brand,  How other people manage I've no idea? I'd welcome recommendations for any dealer or car make that was different?  By different I mean doesn't push what customers don't want, doesn't only offer good deals to PCP customers and welcomes someone who can afford to pay cash by offering them good deals on diesel/petrol cars. I'm looking for a reliable estate, certainly not an electric and preferably not hybrid, budget is about 15k.   Motoring discussion UncleBlobby Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198128&v=t&m=1486570 hjforum1486569 Sun, 05 May 2024 16:30:08 +0000 Oh, John, you do make me laugh.   Motoring discussion Adampr Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198106 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198106&v=t&m=1486569 hjforum1486568 Sun, 05 May 2024 16:21:21 +0000 I don’t think any of the cars we are discussing in this thread will be running when they are 24 years old That's because nobody has mentioned the reliable durable late model (Canley onwards) TR7 which, if cared for (preferably Ziebarted) from new like mine was (it's now 44yrs old), has outlasted thousands of rot-prone MX5s - which cease to be fun when the brown cancer becomes terminal.   Plenty to choose from...... https://classics.honestjohn.co.uk/cars-for-sale/search/Triumph/TR7/ ......and cheap to run as classic insurance is peanuts and there is no annual VED or MoT to trouble you.  Motoring doesn't get much cheaper.   Motoring discussion John F Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198106 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198106&v=t&m=1486568